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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.09.15 11:56:00 -
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hmm it's really hard to speculate on what this 'nerf' will be looking like in the end, from what i read i would assume you still could field some heavy drones, just not the full load. and honestly the myrmi is too strong compared to the other t2 bcs. passive shield tank it and you will tank as good as a drake while dealing 25% more damage with your drones alone, meaning you still can fit 6 nos/neuts or cannons (whatever you prefer). fit it full gank and you can easily reach some 800ish dps while still being able to field an impressive tank (especially that is sthing no other bc can do).
it can even snipe with sentries or it can ew while still being able to dish out serious damage and take a beating,thus atm it's the most versatile bc in game (which is nice) but at the same time it is the best ship in every single category it can be used in (which is not so nice considering there are other bcs)
granted drones can be destroyed, but they can neither be nossed/neuted nor can they be jammed or damped or disrupted and you can't expect everyone to adapt to your setup by fielding a full rack of smartbombs which would make their ships useless vs most other ships (including the myrm herself as she will not be killable by smarties).
reducing turretslots won't do much good either, as you still can put other, more usefull modules in the free slots. remember with ogres alone you deal 500 damage, no need for a gun when it comes to dps as a full rack of whatever would maybe deal 50% of that.
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.09.15 20:55:00 -
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what skills/setups did you assume for that graph?
120 damage from 1 medium and 4 lights seems pretty high (too high) whereas 350 damage from 5 heavies is rather low.
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.09.15 21:16:00 -
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oki that puts the myrmi above all ships you compared her with but the astarte damagewise.
also it's not really saying that much as you need to also add in the tank and on another note could you post that spreadsheet plz? :D
looks pretty usefull
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.09.16 03:14:00 -
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i really don't get the pint of that op. as it seems myrmi won't be able to field a full rack of heavys anymore, but mebbe 3 heavies and 2 meds or sthing like that. additionaly you'd most likely get an increased dronebay and thus can bring spares with you or even drones for other purposes. that really isn't a nerf and if you don't see this you probably should start making a setup of your own and not copy/paste the first one that works and then whine about having to change it slightly.
oh and on a sidenote: many ppl that say the myrmi is too strong don't sit in stations and wait for it to be nerfed but sit in exactly that ship and just are a bit more open minded and/or know of it's capabilities, which you according to at least half of your previous statements don't.
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.09.21 13:32:00 -
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with max skills ogre 2 deal around 95 damage a piece.
then add some high damage guns with damage mods and you're done. but realistically 900dps seems a bit high if you want to sustain a tank, 800 is pretty realistic though.
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.09.21 14:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Shmekla
Edited by: Shmekla on 21/09/2007 14:11:02
Edited by: Shmekla on 21/09/2007 14:09:17
Originally by: Shiken Kan
with max skills ogre 2 deal around 95 damage a piece.
then add some high damage guns with damage mods and you're done. but realistically 900dps seems a bit high if you want to sustain a tank, 800 is pretty realistic though.
Yes its about 95 dps maxed drones skills. So about 475 dps from drones. Therefore medium guns do allot les dps (played with theoretical setup in Quick fit but maybe missed something ).
I think there is some speculation regarding guns dps. If half dps coming from guns, then if i lost one drone it would be a 1/10 of my overall dps. in that case I don't think that isn't worth talking about it as Myrm nerf.
But because there are people who complain about that, obviously dps from drones are superior against guns, and in case of one drone lost there is significant dps portion lost.
i get an equivalent of about 2.5 ogre 2 from my guns which is rather much, tho 3.5 would be possible i recon. point is most ppl fit nos/neut and thus rely on drones for damage and these ofc then suffer more from a drone loss than others. imo these setups are simply lazy and normaly you're way better off (for pvp) when you don't fit a whole rack of ogres. there are so many other possibilities with drones. that's why i wouldn't call a bandwidth (within reasonable boundaries) a nerf tbh. as for ratting/missionrunning the myrm is already the best bc imo (some ppl say it's the drake but choosing damagetypes on it costs you 25% damage so i'd say myrm is better :p) and thus could live with a reduction to it's abilities.
oh and just before ppl say i'm whining because a myrm killed me, i fly that thingie.
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.09.21 14:40:00 -
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yes medium drones a re pretty ****ty unfortunately :(
50% mor damage then light and about a third of heavy drones.
for ratting you should consider sentries btw, as you never loose em and they deal helluva damage to cruisers and bigger ships and can instapop frigs and stroyers when these are in optimal :D
you then need to fit guns for the frigs you didn't get at range tho, but that works pretty well (personnaly i use 3 150mm rails and a large smartie)
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